Gewissei

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Help! The Gewissei are giving me nightmares! They seem to be ruled by Cerdic, Vortigern, and Eudaf Hen, they're British and Irish and Saxon, they're in North Wales, South Wales, and in Winchester, they're a tribe, a kingdom, and mercenaries. Who/what were they, and where do they fit in with british history, especially in the period 400-450?Thanks in advance,Afr9

This answer is a bit late, but if you are still around the answer is that Eudaf Hen first ruled the region of Wales and the Borderlands that included a tribe that was then called the Brigantes (Hill people) of which the Gewissei would appear to have been part. Eudaf Hen was a Goedel (? People of the wood) as were many of the Irish immigrants who had settle th wider area of North Wales. As such Goedels could either have been Welsh or Irish the answer lies in his North Wales pedigree. In no way could they have been Saxon.....and here is the bit that you must not tell anyone else, particularly the people of Wessex, the Saxon Cerdic did not exist he was an uplift from the real Cerdic of the Gewissei of Central Wales used so as to add to King Alfred's C.V. or in his eyes this stolen pedigree for the Saxon of Wessex.Therein lies the secret of learning why the DARK AGE is termed such!

Promise you will not tell anyone else, we do not need historians commiting suicide!

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Chris Barber and David Pykitt wrote 'Journey to Avalon' which should be the first read for any novice who wants to dip into the murky waters of the distant past. They have not been properly recognised as stirring the mud in that pond of overgrown weed, which very much needed to be done as there are too many teaching history today who cannot think outside the box,or who are swimming happily in the murky pond. Do not believe half of what you read about Saxon History, Asser who wrote those Anglo-Saxon Chronicles, could not tell an Angle from a Saxon, but unfortunately he was a turncoat Welsh monk who had formerly been at the Monasrery in St David's Pembrokeshire;King Alfred enticed him to bring that knowledge with him so as to introduce the practice of keeping the Annales Cambriae (Welsh Angles) to Wessex as had been compiled and was continuing to be done at St David's, in order to give Wessex the same sort of history. Asser was not very healthy, nor apparently very bright, as he made a right mess of moving Welsh History to Saxon lands by introducing the figures in Welsh History to become characters in Wessex Folklore. God Rest His Soul! Bede on the other hand, a second generation Saxon, was a bit cleverer than Asser as his other half of the version of Saxon history has fooled more people for longer. May he too rest in Peace! However his history is being re-written!

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On Friday, 30 January 1998 08:00:00 UTC, Afr9 wrote: > Help! The Gewissei are giving me nightmares! They seem to be ruled by Cerdic, Vortigern, and Eudaf Hen, they're British and Irish and Saxon, they're in North Wales, South Wales, and in Winchester, they're a tribe, a kingdom, and mercenaries. Who/what were they, and where do they fit in with british history, especially in the period 400-450?

When one is confused you must turn around and guide all those other confused people following behind you, and it is a long queue, to the Yruth. It is a much longer journey to the truth than many people want to take, I have been at it for 15 years and there is still a long road ahead, but every corner that I turn I see the light shining brighter.The light has already begun shining of that which passesas Saxon History, but you will not be able to experience that bright sunshine until you have sampled some of the basdics of Welsh Tribal History and the Druids upon which all else builds. That is fact!

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On Friday, 30 January 1998 08:00:00 UTC, Karl-Heinz Böttcher wrote: > In article <***@ladder03.news.aol.com>, ***@aol.com (Afr9) wrote: >Help! The Gewissei are giving me nightmares! They seem to be ruled by Cerdic, >Vortigern, and Eudaf Hen, they're British and Irish and Saxon, they're in North >Wales, South Wales, and in Winchester, they're a tribe, a kingdom, and >mercenaries. Who/what were they, and where do they fit in with british >history, especially in the period 400-450?> >Thanks in advance,>Afr9 Well, they were all of it. Remember legendary Cerdic, supposedly founder of Wessex, which even Bede does not name that way any earlier than 686 or so? Cerdic is bearing a Celtic name, ruling a Saxon kingdom which also bears a Celtic name. He was Celtic and managed to unite his Saxon and British-Celtic inhabitants in the land of the Gewissei. I never heard about Vortigern ruling them. Who says that? Vortigern was from the Gloucester area (according to the genealogies) and later on became overlord over Britain. I think, it originally means a British tribe, which was later on taken over by the English. Even the genalogy of Cerdic hints to some British origin.Regards Kalle

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History is, or rather should be, a time-line where the events of one oeriod link accurately to all events of the past and all upcoming events, in all directions. You have been unfortunate enough to attempt to understand the most cvonfused part of that which glibly is called BRITISH HISTORY' but you will not get to the truth by attempting to use Bede or the Anglo-Saxon Chronicles as a foundation to the truth. When in a quandry... go back to basics and start at a different point. When you have completely understood Journey to Avalon' by Barber and Pykitt read also Keys to Avalon by Blake and Lloyd; neither book tells the full story as that cannot be done in books of that size as history is a continuing story. Fortunaely those two books cover the most interesting periods of history; BUT THERE IS MORE ... only you can choose which direction to look but those are the places to start! The questions posed within the coverages of both books will take you on a fascinating journey, take the easy route step by step....it will be the most interesting journey you will ever make if you have, as appears to be the case, an inqiusitive mind.! Enjoy the Journey.