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List of The Knights and Their Attributes?
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NYC XYZ
2006-02-19 17:42:38 UTC
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Hi, All:

Is there a list somewhere of all the Knights of The Round Table?
Particularly if it matches them with their associated attributes or
"claim to fame" -- e.g., Galahad was "pure," Lancelot (sometimes the
same as Galahad, other times his father) is "best," etc.

So far, I've only found these links --
http://arthurpendragon.ukonline.co.uk/artfaq.html#hommanyknights, and
http://www.bootlegbooks.com/Reference/PhraseAndFable/data/715.html --
but they don't fit the bill. I really need to know who is known for
what in the Arthurian Legends.


TIA!
John W. Kennedy
2006-02-19 18:32:54 UTC
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Post by NYC XYZ
Is there a list somewhere of all the Knights of The Round Table?
Particularly if it matches them with their associated attributes or
"claim to fame" -- e.g., Galahad was "pure," Lancelot (sometimes the
same as Galahad, other times his father) is "best," etc.
So far, I've only found these links --
http://arthurpendragon.ukonline.co.uk/artfaq.html#hommanyknights, and
http://www.bootlegbooks.com/Reference/PhraseAndFable/data/715.html --
but they don't fit the bill. I really need to know who is known for
what in the Arthurian Legends.
Do you really mean "Arthurian Legends" (i.e., obscure works written in
Old Irish, Old and Middle Welsh, and Old Breton)? Or do you mean
"Arthurian Literature" (for most of the Arthurian material that most of
us are familiar with is conscious literary art by professional writers).

There are as many lists as there are versions of the stories. Indeed,
medieval style being what it was, most versions include a list somewhere
in the text (and it is usually contradicted by the actual stories in the
text).

The most interesting one is probably in one of Charles Williams'
Arthurian poems (/not/ in the two main collections, but to be found in
Dodds' expanded edition).
--
John W. Kennedy
"But now is a new thing which is very old--
that the rich make themselves richer and not poorer,
which is the true Gospel, for the poor's sake."
-- Charles Williams. "Judgement at Chelmsford"
John Briggs
2006-02-19 19:30:32 UTC
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Post by John W. Kennedy
Post by NYC XYZ
Is there a list somewhere of all the Knights of The Round Table?
Particularly if it matches them with their associated attributes or
"claim to fame" -- e.g., Galahad was "pure," Lancelot (sometimes the
same as Galahad, other times his father) is "best," etc.
So far, I've only found these links --
http://arthurpendragon.ukonline.co.uk/artfaq.html#hommanyknights, and
http://www.bootlegbooks.com/Reference/PhraseAndFable/data/715.html --
but they don't fit the bill. I really need to know who is known for
what in the Arthurian Legends.
Do you really mean "Arthurian Legends" (i.e., obscure works written in
Old Irish, Old and Middle Welsh, and Old Breton)? Or do you mean
"Arthurian Literature" (for most of the Arthurian material that most
of us are familiar with is conscious literary art by professional
writers).
There are as many lists as there are versions of the stories. Indeed,
medieval style being what it was, most versions include a list
somewhere in the text (and it is usually contradicted by the actual
stories in the text).
The most interesting one is probably in one of Charles Williams'
Arthurian poems (/not/ in the two main collections, but to be found in
Dodds' expanded edition).
I'd be inclined to stick to Malory - failing that, Tennyson.
--
John Briggs
NYC XYZ
2006-02-20 06:32:29 UTC
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Post by John W. Kennedy
Do you really mean "Arthurian Legends" (i.e., obscure works written in
Old Irish, Old and Middle Welsh, and Old Breton)? Or do you mean
"Arthurian Literature" (for most of the Arthurian material that most of
us are familiar with is conscious literary art by professional writers).
Ah, thank you for the clarification! Indeed, I mean anything Arthurian
-- I just need a list of knights and corresponding
attributes/claim-to-fame/etc.
Post by John W. Kennedy
There are as many lists as there are versions of the stories. Indeed,
medieval style being what it was, most versions include a list somewhere
in the text (and it is usually contradicted by the actual stories in the
text).
Really! Hmm...okay...sounds like an interesting question for the
friendly neighborhood librarian....
Post by John W. Kennedy
The most interesting one is probably in one of Charles Williams'
Arthurian poems (/not/ in the two main collections, but to be found in
Dodds' expanded edition).
Thanks again!
Post by John W. Kennedy
--
John W. Kennedy
"But now is a new thing which is very old--
that the rich make themselves richer and not poorer,
which is the true Gospel, for the poor's sake."
-- Charles Williams. "Judgement at Chelmsford"
Jennifer Blaustein
2006-02-20 15:45:42 UTC
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Post by NYC XYZ
Is there a list somewhere of all the Knights of The Round Table?
Particularly if it matches them with their associated attributes or
"claim to fame" -- e.g., Galahad was "pure," Lancelot (sometimes the
same as Galahad, other times his father) is "best," etc.
So far, I've only found these links --
http://arthurpendragon.ukonline.co.uk/artfaq.html#hommanyknights, and
http://www.bootlegbooks.com/Reference/PhraseAndFable/data/715.html --
but they don't fit the bill. I really need to know who is known for
what in the Arthurian Legends.
TIA!
Please see my recently posted list of tough knights.
NYC XYZ
2006-02-20 17:38:32 UTC
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Post by Jennifer Blaustein
Please see my recently posted list of tough knights.
Ah, most appreciated, fair lady!

But it almost sounds like you're talking about TV characters...or is
there an actual list somewhere?

Who would you say was the most "cynical" or "skeptical" knight? Was
there one who was most, um, hedonistic or epicurean? Was there even
one whose bravery was questionable -- Sir Mordred, perhaps? Was there
one known to be a great ladies' man? Or were they all different merely
by feats of arms?
Jennifer Blaustein
2006-02-20 18:41:11 UTC
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Post by NYC XYZ
Post by Jennifer Blaustein
Please see my recently posted list of tough knights.
Ah, most appreciated, fair lady!
But it almost sounds like you're talking about TV characters...or is
there an actual list somewhere?
Who would you say was the most "cynical" or "skeptical" knight? Was
there one who was most, um, hedonistic or epicurean? Was there even
one whose bravery was questionable -- Sir Mordred, perhaps? Was there
one known to be a great ladies' man? Or were they all different merely
by feats of arms?
Most hedonistic would definitely be Sir Brues Sans Pite, whose sole mission
in life seemed to be to chase damsels that ventured into his land. He could
possibly take the cake for cowardly too, since he fled every time he
encountered a knight.

I would call Sir Palomides bravery into question, for the reasons mentioned
in my TOUGH KNIGHTS post. He was always given credit for being tough as
nails but we don't see anything to really prove that. He seemed to take
advantage of good knights that were at a disadvantage (wounded, etc.). He
was also mortal enemies with Sir Tristram, considered the greatest and
gentlest of living knights, so that might show you something. It should be
noted that he was also the only Saracen knight.

Most laughable knight - Sir Dagonet the Fool, followed closely by Le Cote
Male Taille

The most curt knight seemed to be Sir Lamerok. He spoke his mind, and had an
odd belief system. When he was accompanying a knight in the forest, the
other knight took a little nap by a well while Lamerok attended to some
business. When Lamerok returned, he saw the sleeping knight and just left
him there, stating, "I do not have fellowship with sleeping knights." In
other instances he would taunt knights that were clearly weak into fighting
with tough knights. He seemed to be a bully knight.

Sir Dynadan was a curious fellow, one of my favorites. He would always say
he was going to sit out for fights and battles, then he would end up jumping
in because he didn't want to look like a wuss, and would perform quite well.
Dynadan was also known as a knight who made many jests and was quite the
humorist. He even composed a jest about King Mark that was carried around
the country by traveling minstrels.

Pellinore was an interesting guy in that he was sworn to track the questing
beast for all his life and bring it to the ground. When he died he gave this
quest to sir palomides i believe, but I don't think palomides really cared
and you never really hear of him following the questing beast.

King Mark was by far the most cowardly and treacherous of all kings, though
I don't know if he can be technically considered a knight. Sir Lamerok and
Sir Dynadan bullied him quite a bit. He swore to kill Tristram because of
his love for Isode.

Sir Fauntleroy was one of the more feared knights because he was so violent.
He was rumored to have raped other knights after defeating them, and to
devour human flesh from a living opponent. It was never known if he ranked
among the top jousters because he never did any sport fighting, he only
fought when something insulted him or when he was on a quest.

Sir Kay was a real jokester, and often made fun of new knights. He was
somewhat like a drill sargeant, picking on the new guys. He always gave
people wild nicknames. He was also a shitty knight.
NYC XYZ
2006-02-20 19:56:20 UTC
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Many thanks again -- but wherever are you getting your opinions? I'd
like as comprehensive a list as possible, please. =)
Post by Jennifer Blaustein
Post by NYC XYZ
Post by Jennifer Blaustein
Please see my recently posted list of tough knights.
Ah, most appreciated, fair lady!
But it almost sounds like you're talking about TV characters...or is
there an actual list somewhere?
Who would you say was the most "cynical" or "skeptical" knight? Was
there one who was most, um, hedonistic or epicurean? Was there even
one whose bravery was questionable -- Sir Mordred, perhaps? Was there
one known to be a great ladies' man? Or were they all different merely
by feats of arms?
Most hedonistic would definitely be Sir Brues Sans Pite, whose sole mission
in life seemed to be to chase damsels that ventured into his land. He could
possibly take the cake for cowardly too, since he fled every time he
encountered a knight.
I would call Sir Palomides bravery into question, for the reasons mentioned
in my TOUGH KNIGHTS post. He was always given credit for being tough as
nails but we don't see anything to really prove that. He seemed to take
advantage of good knights that were at a disadvantage (wounded, etc.). He
was also mortal enemies with Sir Tristram, considered the greatest and
gentlest of living knights, so that might show you something. It should be
noted that he was also the only Saracen knight.
Most laughable knight - Sir Dagonet the Fool, followed closely by Le Cote
Male Taille
The most curt knight seemed to be Sir Lamerok. He spoke his mind, and had an
odd belief system. When he was accompanying a knight in the forest, the
other knight took a little nap by a well while Lamerok attended to some
business. When Lamerok returned, he saw the sleeping knight and just left
him there, stating, "I do not have fellowship with sleeping knights." In
other instances he would taunt knights that were clearly weak into fighting
with tough knights. He seemed to be a bully knight.
Sir Dynadan was a curious fellow, one of my favorites. He would always say
he was going to sit out for fights and battles, then he would end up jumping
in because he didn't want to look like a wuss, and would perform quite well.
Dynadan was also known as a knight who made many jests and was quite the
humorist. He even composed a jest about King Mark that was carried around
the country by traveling minstrels.
Pellinore was an interesting guy in that he was sworn to track the questing
beast for all his life and bring it to the ground. When he died he gave this
quest to sir palomides i believe, but I don't think palomides really cared
and you never really hear of him following the questing beast.
King Mark was by far the most cowardly and treacherous of all kings, though
I don't know if he can be technically considered a knight. Sir Lamerok and
Sir Dynadan bullied him quite a bit. He swore to kill Tristram because of
his love for Isode.
Sir Fauntleroy was one of the more feared knights because he was so violent.
He was rumored to have raped other knights after defeating them, and to
devour human flesh from a living opponent. It was never known if he ranked
among the top jousters because he never did any sport fighting, he only
fought when something insulted him or when he was on a quest.
Sir Kay was a real jokester, and often made fun of new knights. He was
somewhat like a drill sargeant, picking on the new guys. He always gave
people wild nicknames. He was also a shitty knight.
Jennifer Blaustein
2006-02-20 20:17:53 UTC
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Post by NYC XYZ
Many thanks again -- but wherever are you getting your opinions? I'd
like as comprehensive a list as possible, please. =)
These aren't opinions (mostly) but facts. I am getting my information from
Le Morte D'Arthur by Malory. The deeds of all these knights are recorded
there. I'm sure there's a wiki with a list like thing. Here's a good
resource with some basic information on many of the knights:
http://www.earlybritishkingdoms.com/bios/dinadan.html

That is a link to the Dynadan post, so you can get a sampling of the
knights. My only problem with this site is that it leaves some people out,
like Fauntleroy and Brues San Pite that are less well known.
Jennifer Blaustein
2006-02-20 20:33:52 UTC
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Post by Jennifer Blaustein
Post by NYC XYZ
Many thanks again -- but wherever are you getting your opinions? I'd
like as comprehensive a list as possible, please. =)
These aren't opinions (mostly) but facts. I am getting my information from
Le Morte D'Arthur by Malory. The deeds of all these knights are recorded
there. I'm sure there's a wiki with a list like thing. Here's a good
http://www.earlybritishkingdoms.com/bios/dinadan.html
That is a link to the Dynadan post, so you can get a sampling of the
knights. My only problem with this site is that it leaves some people out,
like Fauntleroy and Brues San Pite that are less well known.
I think this might be what you're looking for:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Arthurian_characters
NYC XYZ
2006-02-20 23:49:47 UTC
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Post by Jennifer Blaustein
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Arthurian_characters
Heavens to Betsy! I never have any luck with search engines....

Thanks again! This looks like just the thing, yes!

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