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Lancelot's Sword
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Daniel
2004-08-31 13:29:23 UTC
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Does anyone know if Lancelot have a sword with a name?

If so, then can you also supply the sources, like from what medieval books.

It would also be good if you can supply other names of weapons from
other knights, like Gawain and Perceval.

Thanks

Dan
Mabon Dane
2004-08-31 19:53:12 UTC
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Post by Daniel
Does anyone know if Lancelot have a sword with a name?
If so, then can you also supply the sources, like from what medieval books.
It would also be good if you can supply other names of weapons from
other knights, like Gawain and Perceval.
Thanks
Dan
I can give all the names for the weapons of King Arthur but cannot help
on those connected to his knights - Mabon
John Adcox
2004-08-31 20:41:49 UTC
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TH White called Lancelot's sword Joyeux (forged by Uncle Dap) but I can't for
the life of me find his source in Mallory. It may have been his invention.

J
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Dan
2004-10-01 13:48:40 UTC
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Post by Mabon Dane
Post by Daniel
Does anyone know if Lancelot have a sword with a name?
If so, then can you also supply the sources, like from what medieval books.
It would also be good if you can supply other names of weapons from
other knights, like Gawain and Perceval.
Thanks
Dan
I can give all the names for the weapons of King Arthur but cannot help
on those connected to his knights - Mabon
I've managed to find Lancelot's sword, Secace, page 399 in Lancelot of
the Lake, by Corin Corley, Oxford's Classics.
Malcolm Martin
2004-10-01 23:05:30 UTC
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Post by Dan
I've managed to find Lancelot's sword, Secace, page 399 in Lancelot of
the Lake, by Corin Corley, Oxford's Classics.
Nice one - Congratulations. From that I picked up the following from a
cached page on Google:

Secace Lancelot. According to pre-cycle Lancelot, the sword that Lancelot
used against the Saxons at Saxon Rock. Also called Seure (Sequence) in
Vulgate Lancelot.

But can anyone confirm the meaning of the name?

Kind regards

Malcolm Martin
London, UK
Daniel
2004-10-02 07:52:39 UTC
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Post by Malcolm Martin
Post by Dan
I've managed to find Lancelot's sword, Secace, page 399 in Lancelot of
the Lake, by Corin Corley, Oxford's Classics.
Nice one - Congratulations. From that I picked up the following from a
Secace Lancelot. According to pre-cycle Lancelot, the sword that Lancelot
used against the Saxons at Saxon Rock. Also called Seure (Sequence) in
Vulgate Lancelot.
But can anyone confirm the meaning of the name?
Kind regards
Malcolm Martin
London, UK
Wow. Where did you get that, Malcom?

I don't know the meaning of Secace. Could this Secace and Seure be the
same sword? If I had the Vulgate Lancelot, perhaps I could look it up,
but sadly I don't. Do you?
John Adcox
2004-10-04 03:25:27 UTC
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So was Joyeux an invention of TH White?

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Malcolm Martin
2004-10-04 22:17:48 UTC
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Post by Daniel
Wow. Where did you get that, Malcom?
http://www.timelessmyths.com/arthurian/objects.html
Post by Daniel
I don't know the meaning of Secace. Could this Secace and Seure be the
same sword? If I had the Vulgate Lancelot, perhaps I could look it up,
but sadly I don't. Do you?
No, I plead innocence here.

Kind regards

Malcolm Martin
London, UK
Daniel
2004-10-05 12:57:30 UTC
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Thanks, Malcom

Oh, yes. I've been to Timeless Myths before, but not in a while. So
this must be something new added to this page since I last visit it,
because I didn't see any sword of Lancelot.

Daniel
On Sat, 02 Oct 2004 17:52:39 +1000, Daniel wrote the
Post by Daniel
Wow. Where did you get that, Malcom?
http://www.timelessmyths.com/arthurian/objects.html
Post by Daniel
I don't know the meaning of Secace. Could this Secace and Seure be the
same sword? If I had the Vulgate Lancelot, perhaps I could look it up,
but sadly I don't. Do you?
No, I plead innocence here.
Kind regards
Malcolm Martin
London, UK
Carole
2004-10-02 11:44:32 UTC
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The names of King Arthur's weapons would be a great help to me - I'm doing
an essay for school.
Post by Dan
Post by Mabon Dane
Post by Daniel
Does anyone know if Lancelot have a sword with a name?
If so, then can you also supply the sources, like from what medieval books.
It would also be good if you can supply other names of weapons from
other knights, like Gawain and Perceval.
Thanks
Dan
I can give all the names for the weapons of King Arthur but cannot help
on those connected to his knights - Mabon
I've managed to find Lancelot's sword, Secace, page 399 in Lancelot of
the Lake, by Corin Corley, Oxford's Classics.
Malcolm Martin
2004-10-04 23:11:23 UTC
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Post by Carole
The names of King Arthur's weapons would be a great help to me - I'm doing
an essay for school.
Carole

There are various older sources.

The first (and best?) is in The Mabinogion [originally issued by Lady
Guest] - but you should find this in the Everyman paperback series
translated by Gwyn Jones and Thomas Jones. There is also a Penguin
paperback edition, (same title) but I do not have the transaltors names to
hand. You will find Arthur's weapons named in the tale of Culhwch &
Olwen.

You will find his ship named in Spoils of Annfwn (Preideu Annwfn), a poem
that you will find easily enough on the net, and also later in Culhwch &
Olwen, as you will two of his horses. (For a mounted warrior, a trained
war-horse is as much a weapon as a sword).

His dog is around somewhere, with the name being of some importance if I
remember correctly, - speaking from memory, somewhere in Historia Brittonum
(the History of the Britons) by Nennius, and his mantle of invisibility
(attested elsewhere as one of the Thirteen Treasures of Britain) is named
in the Dream of Rhonabwy.

All the above are from the Early British (now known as Welsh) sources.

There is also his helmet, described in Geoffrey of Monmouth's History of
the Kings of Britain and named in Layamon's Brut. You will also find in
Geoffrey's account - the arming of Arthur just before one of his battles -
various other names which correspond (more or less) to the earlier names in
the Welsh literature.

Finally, do be careful about the name of his sword - In Malory, he has two
with the second being provided by the Lady of the Lake after the first (the
one drawn from the stone) breaks in combat. But there is also the name
from the Welsh tradition, and that from Geoffrey of Monmouth. One name
here really will not do!!

Hope you enjoy it all, and that the essay goes really well.


Kind regards

Malcolm Martin
London, UK
Carole
2004-10-05 00:21:42 UTC
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Super help Malcolm; thank you very much. I'm taking my first course
(mature part time student) on King Arthur and his period and am falling in
love with that entire era:-) As a 67 year old, it's fun to find something
to get this excited about!
Post by Malcolm Martin
Post by Carole
The names of King Arthur's weapons would be a great help to me - I'm doing
an essay for school.
Carole
There are various older sources.
The first (and best?) is in The Mabinogion [originally issued by Lady
Guest] - but you should find this in the Everyman paperback series
translated by Gwyn Jones and Thomas Jones. There is also a Penguin
paperback edition, (same title) but I do not have the transaltors names to
hand. You will find Arthur's weapons named in the tale of Culhwch &
Olwen.
You will find his ship named in Spoils of Annfwn (Preideu Annwfn), a poem
that you will find easily enough on the net, and also later in Culhwch &
Olwen, as you will two of his horses. (For a mounted warrior, a trained
war-horse is as much a weapon as a sword).
His dog is around somewhere, with the name being of some importance if I
remember correctly, - speaking from memory, somewhere in Historia Brittonum
(the History of the Britons) by Nennius, and his mantle of invisibility
(attested elsewhere as one of the Thirteen Treasures of Britain) is named
in the Dream of Rhonabwy.
All the above are from the Early British (now known as Welsh) sources.
There is also his helmet, described in Geoffrey of Monmouth's History of
the Kings of Britain and named in Layamon's Brut. You will also find in
Geoffrey's account - the arming of Arthur just before one of his battles -
various other names which correspond (more or less) to the earlier names in
the Welsh literature.
Finally, do be careful about the name of his sword - In Malory, he has two
with the second being provided by the Lady of the Lake after the first (the
one drawn from the stone) breaks in combat. But there is also the name
from the Welsh tradition, and that from Geoffrey of Monmouth. One name
here really will not do!!
Hope you enjoy it all, and that the essay goes really well.
Kind regards
Malcolm Martin
London, UK
Malcolm Martin
2004-10-05 05:32:01 UTC
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Post by Carole
Super help Malcolm; thank you very much. I'm taking my first course
(mature part time student) on King Arthur and his period and am falling in
love with that entire era:-) As a 67 year old, it's fun to find something
to get this excited about!
Ahhh yes, that sense of first love - just watch out for the Elaine of
Shalot syndrome...............

Kind regards

Malcolm Martin
London, UK
Carole
2004-10-05 12:22:39 UTC
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Elaine of Shalot? Is she the one who killed herself for love of Lancelot?
Post by Malcolm Martin
Post by Carole
Super help Malcolm; thank you very much. I'm taking my first course
(mature part time student) on King Arthur and his period and am falling in
love with that entire era:-) As a 67 year old, it's fun to find something
to get this excited about!
Ahhh yes, that sense of first love - just watch out for the Elaine of
Shalot syndrome...............
Kind regards
Malcolm Martin
London, UK
Malcolm Martin
2004-10-06 21:02:09 UTC
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Post by Carole
Elaine of Shalot? Is she the one who killed herself for love of Lancelot?
The very one..........

Kind regards

Malcolm Martin
London, UK

PAUL GADZIKOWSKI
2004-08-31 21:44:19 UTC
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Daniel <***@hotmail.com> wrote:
: It would also be good if you can supply other names of weapons from
: other knights, like Gawain and Perceval.

In, I think, the Vulgate Gawaine wields Excalibur for a time, when Arthur
takes Royns' sword Marmiadose which had belonged to Royns' ancestor
Hercules. I'd have to check my notes.


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Cherith Baldry
2004-09-01 08:04:09 UTC
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King Ban's sword was Coreuseuse: maybe Lancelot inherited it.

Gawain's sword was Galatine, according to Malory.

My immediate source for this is Phyllis Ann Karr's _King Arthur Companion_ -
the original version - which has a section for 'Things', full of interesting
details, including lots of other swords that don't have names. I don't know if
this is still available. (Rodney?)

Best regards,
Cherith
RodneyFFC
2004-09-02 01:58:15 UTC
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The King Arthur Companion is not that hard to find in new edition. Ebay and
book engine searches usually can find an affordable one. I can't think of any
source that has Lancelot's sword being named, but it certainly would make a
good story, right Cherith!

Rodney
Cherith Baldry
2004-09-02 11:58:08 UTC
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Post by RodneyFFC
The King Arthur Companion is not that hard to find in new edition.
It reappeared as _The Arthurian Companion_ which then went into a second
edition (in which I appear. Purr. Preen.) These are easy to find, I believe.
But the original _King Arthur Companion_ is harder. It's not so comprehensive
and quirkier, but I have a great affection for it.

The name of Lancelot's sword? Pratsblade? Hmm...

Best regards,
Cherith
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