Discussion:
I have found Arthur, on 21/02/07
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Danep
2007-02-24 17:58:19 UTC
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Hi all

Seeing as this group is so quiet I thought that I would officially
announce that I have found the real historical person behind Arthur
and others from his time. I will now just confirm and explain some of
the actual relationships as I have found but I will not as yet reveal
who they were as that must wait for the book.

First and foremost Arthur was a Briton and eventually a King. Arthur
is a title not a name.

Vortigern was a title not a name. Both he and Arthur had a common
ancestor. Hence the early conflicts between Vortigirns side of the
family and Ambrosius'. The two family lines were united later when
Vortimers daughter married Arthurs son. There were actually two
Vortigerns (three if you count the welsh Tradition of Voritgern II,
who I also know the identity of)

Merlin was Arthurs uncle. He was the easiest to find. No great huge
books needed to explain it. Once you know who Arthur and Vortigern are
it all fits in perfectly.

Modred was Merlins son. Modred was a very evil character.

Guinevere was not Arthurs wife but his daughter. She may have been
mixed up with Arthurs second wife by ancient historians. The
mythological arguments between women linked to Arthur is between
daughter and step mother. There is a river in Wales named after a
sister of Arthur.

Arthur had at least two children. His line continued on and many
people today will be related to him. Geneaologies will have to be re-
written.I am working on these.

Ambrosius was Arthurs uncle. It is amazing how much GOM got right in
his writings but I will admit he did hedge his bets somewhat. After
this data is revealed GOM will be taken a bit more seriously.

I am an amateur historian so I dont kow how seriously I will be taken.
I need this information to be verified by a known respected Historian
of the period. If you are reading this and can help please do not
hesitate to contact me.

I have contacted the British Museum historical dept and a couple of
publishers but am waiting to hear back.

If you are reading this and know any of the major authors such as
Peter Beresford Ellis, Chris Snyder, Geofrey Ashe ect can you let them
know about this.

This data is so explosive and important to the history of this country
that it really needs a team of researchers on it as everything will
have to be re-written. It woud take me years to do it. Although I have
identified the main characters there is so much more to do. The
events, battles and movements will have to be co-ordinated with this
new data.

Other discoveries include the identity of Hengist and Horsa, when and
where exactly they arrived etc. Also the real historical identity of
Kynan ap Keradag and possibly also of Eudaf.

Also the meaning of Pendragon, where it came from, when the first
historically known Briton used it and who they were. (not Uther).

I have found so much. But how do I get academics to confirm it?

Regards
Dane
John W. Kennedy
2007-02-24 20:30:48 UTC
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Post by Danep
Seeing as this group is so quiet I thought that I would officially
announce that I have found the real historical person behind Arthur
and others from his time. I will now just confirm and explain some of
the actual relationships as I have found but I will not as yet reveal
who they were as that must wait for the book.
...
Post by Danep
I have found so much. But how do I get academics to confirm it?
By presenting yourself as a scholar, rather than as a bog-standard
loony. If you've actually discovered a new fact, publish it. If it's
short, the best place to try is "Notes & Queries"
(<URL:http://nq.oxfordjournals.org/>).

From what you've given so far, we don't even know if you can tell the
"De Excidio Britanniae" from a second-rate rehash of the "Metamorphoses"
of Lucius Apuleius. [Pause for the dreadful pun to sink in.] Do you
honestly expect any scholar to take you seriously?
--
John W. Kennedy
"The blind rulers of Logres
Nourished the land on a fallacy of rational virtue."
-- Charles Williams. "Taliessin through Logres: Prelude"
PAUL GADZIKOWSKI
2007-02-25 14:39:47 UTC
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Danep <***@iwcsystems.co.uk> wrote:
: Seeing as this group is so quiet I thought that I would officially
: announce that I have found the real historical person behind Arthur
: and others from his time.

I'm sure the last few centuries' historians and literary scholars will be
pleased to have the mystery finally solved.


Paul Gadzikowski, ***@iglou.com since 1995
http://www.arthurkingoftimeandspace.com New cartoons daily.
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"Christopher Robin told me what it said, and then I could read it."
b***@comswest.net.au
2007-03-20 07:45:59 UTC
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Post by Danep
Hi all
Seeing as this group is so quiet I thought that I would officially
announce that I have found the real historical person behind Arthur
and others from his time. I will now just confirm and explain some of
the actual relationships as I have found but I will not as yet reveal
who they were as that must wait for the book.
First and foremost Arthur was a Briton and eventually a King. Arthur
is a title not a name.
Cool. Was he

(a) Owain White Tooth of Powys
(b) Old King Cole of Oop North
(c) King Barry John?
Post by Danep
Vortigern was a title not a name. Both he and Arthur had a common
ancestor. Hence the early conflicts between Vortigirns side of the
family and Ambrosius'. The two family lines were united later when
Vortimers daughter married Arthurs son. There were actually two
Vortigerns (three if you count the welsh Tradition of Voritgern II,
who I also know the identity of)
Who was he?
(a) Vortigern
(b) Vortigirn
(c) Voritgern
Post by Danep
Merlin was Arthurs uncle. He was the easiest to find. No great huge
books needed to explain it. Once you know who Arthur and Vortigern are
it all fits in perfectly.
Ah. Was he perchance
(a) Mad Uncle Myrddin, who was so clever he lived 100 years before he
was born
(b) Mad Uncle Ambrosius, known as Merlin for tax reasons
(c) Mad Uncle Merlin, the 6th century inventor of the aircraft engine?
Post by Danep
Modred was Merlins son. Modred was a very evil character.
Guinevere was not Arthurs wife but his daughter. She may have been
mixed up with Arthurs second wife by ancient historians. The
mythological arguments between women linked to Arthur is between
daughter and step mother. There is a river in Wales named after a
sister of Arthur..
So did Arthr sleep with
(a) his wife, Guinevere
(b) his daughter, Guinevere
(c) his sister, Taff
(d) all of the above?
Post by Danep
Arthur had at least two children. His line continued on and many
people today will be related to him. Geneaologies will have to be re-
written.I am working on these.
Can I be in one? Please?
Post by Danep
Ambrosius was Arthurs uncle. It is amazing how much GOM got right in
his writings but I will admit he did hedge his bets somewhat. After
this data is revealed GOM will be taken a bit more seriously.
I'd pay good money to see that. Did Old Geoff get his gospel from an
ancient Welsh manuscript leant to him by
(a) his good mate, Walter, Archdeacon of Oxford
(b) Dane, who is actually a 2000 year old warrior awaiting "the
Quickening"
(c) Gerald the Invisible Space Pixie
Post by Danep
I am an amateur historian so I dont kow how seriously I will be taken.
I need this information to be verified by a known respected Historian
of the period. If you are reading this and can help please do not
hesitate to contact me.
Sorry, I have to wash my hair tonight.
Post by Danep
I have contacted the British Museum historical dept and a couple of
publishers but am waiting to hear back.
If you are reading this and know any of the major authors such as
Peter Beresford Ellis, Chris Snyder, Geofrey Ashe ect can you let them
know about this.
We're having a beer Friday night. I'll be sure to drop your bombshell
into casual conversation at an opportune moment.
Post by Danep
This data is so explosive and important to the history of this country
that it really needs a team of researchers on it as everything will
have to be re-written. It woud take me years to do it. Although I have
identified the main characters there is so much more to do. The
events, battles and movements will have to be co-ordinated with this
new data.
Other discoveries include the identity of Hengist and Horsa, when and
where exactly they arrived etc. Also the real historical identity of
Kynan ap Keradag and possibly also of Eudaf.
Also the meaning of Pendragon, where it came from, when the first
historically known Briton used it and who they were. (not Uther).
I have found so much. But how do I get academics to confirm it?
I recommend the usual three methods:
(a) Become an internationally renowned academic, preferably in this
field
(b) Pay for a major new library at a leading British university
(c) Corner a leading expert and try the Vulcan mind meld on him.


-- boyd
Azure
2007-05-01 04:12:36 UTC
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Post by Danep
Hi all
Seeing as this group is so quiet I thought that I would officially
announce that I have found the real historical person behind Arthur
So did I doing my Family Tree.
Arthur is the High King of Tara, Mogh ART, his House is the Art Uir.
They are the Bears of the Briton's.
They Joined Forces with the Degaidh'ns, believe it or Not the Scottish
Highlanders, the Tribes of Innesfeld.
Werelich and Bar Har are Neighbors who Joined Forces against the Saxons.
From here came Lug (Luck Of the Irish, or the "LAKE") aka, the "Salmon
of Knowledge" spawned of the Union between the River and the Ocean.
From the union of the Houses of the Cyclops, or Wadjet of Horous, the
Hyksus of the Ancients, and the Bears of the Cave, came the Sion, the
Sacrifice mankind ate of to obtain eternal life........................
Mogh D'Red sold his sword to the Saxons to defeat "Rome".
It worked too!
Destroyed Tara in the process, but such is the cost of sacrifice.
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