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Crater and Grail
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r***@sdf.lonestar.org
2005-07-29 10:27:13 UTC
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In Clovis time, Crater, the Grail, was rising. Upcoming book.

http://www.lulu.com/zodiac
solitaire
2005-07-29 23:00:27 UTC
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Post by r***@sdf.lonestar.org
In Clovis time, Crater, the Grail, was rising. Upcoming book.
http://www.lulu.com/zodiac
In fact, KRATER is the name of a time of wine cup or goblet that was common from
at least the Middle Helladic period. It's association with the so-called "Holy
Grail" dates to the Medieval period, after 1250 CE. Ergo, this association is
bullshit.

Newsgroups trimmed.
James Toupin
2005-07-29 23:17:25 UTC
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Post by r***@sdf.lonestar.org
In Clovis time, Crater, the Grail, was rising. Upcoming book.
http://www.lulu.com/zodiac
What everyone appears to forget in regards to the "Grail" is that when it
was first written about, by Chrétien de Troyes, it was not a cup or goblet
or chalice; it was in fact first represented by a large gold platter that
was ever-full of food. Also the word "Grail" itself has no meaning apart
from that given to by de Troyes and subsequent generations. The word was,
most likely, a misspelled version of a Latin original meaning a certain type
of dish used to serve specific courses during a formal meal or simply
invented by de Troyes.

James
solitaire
2005-07-30 03:38:35 UTC
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Post by James Toupin
Post by r***@sdf.lonestar.org
In Clovis time, Crater, the Grail, was rising. Upcoming book.
http://www.lulu.com/zodiac
What everyone appears to forget in regards to the "Grail" is that when it
was first written about, by Chrétien de Troyes, it was not a cup or goblet
or chalice; it was in fact first represented by a large gold platter that
was ever-full of food. Also the word "Grail" itself has no meaning apart
from that given to by de Troyes and subsequent generations. The word was,
most likely, a misspelled version of a Latin original meaning a certain type
of dish used to serve specific courses during a formal meal or simply
invented by de Troyes.
James
In fact, Chretien never states that it was always full of food -- in fact, he
indirectly affirms that it was a fish platter, probably used in a Celtic pagan
ritual involving sacred salmon (by way of "protesting too much", as Shakespeare
would say). The reference to the "wafers" is a later interpolation, probably by
one of the 3 continuators of "Li Conte del Graal".

The theme of "bottomless dish" is based on the Irish cauldrons of the Tuatha de
Danaan, which would only boil the meat of heroes, and would always provide
exactly the piece of meat that the warrior that approached wanted/deserved.

It's amazing how much of Welsh tradition was originally Irish.
Ron Hubbard
2005-07-31 12:52:23 UTC
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Post by solitaire
Post by James Toupin
Post by r***@sdf.lonestar.org
In Clovis time, Crater, the Grail, was rising. Upcoming book.
http://www.lulu.com/zodiac
What everyone appears to forget in regards to the "Grail" is that when it
was first written about, by Chrétien de Troyes, it was not a cup or goblet
or chalice; it was in fact first represented by a large gold platter that
was ever-full of food. Also the word "Grail" itself has no meaning apart
from that given to by de Troyes and subsequent generations. The word was,
most likely, a misspelled version of a Latin original meaning a certain type
of dish used to serve specific courses during a formal meal or simply
invented by de Troyes.
James
In fact, Chretien never states that it was always full of food -- in fact, he
indirectly affirms that it was a fish platter, probably used in a Celtic pagan
ritual involving sacred salmon (by way of "protesting too much", as Shakespeare
would say). The reference to the "wafers" is a later interpolation, probably by
one of the 3 continuators of "Li Conte del Graal".
The theme of "bottomless dish" is based on the Irish cauldrons of the Tuatha de
Danaan, which would only boil the meat of heroes, and would always provide
exactly the piece of meat that the warrior that approached wanted/deserved.
It's amazing how much of Welsh tradition was originally Irish.
Very fascinating. Now I won't have to read the Mabinogion or the Ulster Cycle, but
why is this posted to uk.rec.psychic?

Ron
James Toupin
2005-07-31 13:44:16 UTC
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"Ron Hubbard" <***@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:***@corp.supernews.com...
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Post by Ron Hubbard
Very fascinating. Now I won't have to read the Mabinogion or the Ulster Cycle, but
why is this posted to uk.rec.psychic?
Ron
I have to admit that I have no idea why it's posted there. I only posted to
alt.legend.king-arthur... And I'm pretty new at this, so you might have to
let me know how that happened...

Thanks;
James
solitaire
2005-08-01 21:55:45 UTC
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Post by James Toupin
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Post by Ron Hubbard
Very fascinating. Now I won't have to read the Mabinogion or the Ulster Cycle, but
why is this posted to uk.rec.psychic?
Ron
I have to admit that I have no idea why it's posted there. I only posted to
alt.legend.king-arthur... And I'm pretty new at this, so you might have to
let me know how that happened...
Thanks;
James
The complete headers (which I can see) show that I answered _only_ to
alt.legend.king-arthur -- James, you're the one who added the other newsgroups.
Saying you didn't is distinctly disingenuous. IE: you're a liar.
John W. Kennedy
2005-08-02 01:51:43 UTC
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Post by solitaire
Post by James Toupin
<Snip> <<Really big Snip"
Post by Ron Hubbard
Very fascinating. Now I won't have to read the Mabinogion or the Ulster Cycle, but
why is this posted to uk.rec.psychic?
Ron
I have to admit that I have no idea why it's posted there. I only
posted to alt.legend.king-arthur... And I'm pretty new at this, so you
might have to let me know how that happened...
Thanks;
James
The complete headers (which I can see) show that I answered _only_ to
alt.legend.king-arthur -- James, you're the one who added the other
newsgroups. Saying you didn't is distinctly disingenuous. IE: you're a
liar.
No, no-one replied to that message of yours. The original poster
(***@sdf.lonestar.org) included all the other groups, and all the other
messages in the thread have followed. James added nothing when he vifxg
replied to the OP, and this entire subthread descends from that reply.
He did respond to all the groups, but he apparently uses Outlook
Express, and I don't know how clear that is about cross-posted replies.
He might well have thought he was replying only to the newsgroup he was
reading.
--
John W. Kennedy
"...when you're trying to build a house of cards, the last thing you
should do is blow hard and wave your hands like a madman."
-- Rupert Goodwins
James Toupin
2005-08-02 08:58:49 UTC
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Post by solitaire
Post by James Toupin
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Post by Ron Hubbard
Very fascinating. Now I won't have to read the Mabinogion or the Ulster Cycle, but
why is this posted to uk.rec.psychic?
Ron
I have to admit that I have no idea why it's posted there. I only posted
to alt.legend.king-arthur... And I'm pretty new at this, so you might
have to let me know how that happened...
Thanks;
James
The complete headers (which I can see) show that I answered _only_ to
alt.legend.king-arthur -- James, you're the one who added the other
newsgroups. Saying you didn't is distinctly disingenuous. IE: you're a
liar.
Thanks for the tip. I looked at the header of the original post and THAT is
where the other news groups are listed. I did not add any news groups to
that list. I deeply resent your calling me a liar and would appreciate a
publicly cross-posted apology. And by the way, in future you may want to
check your facts before you strike out at someone.

Thanks;
James
Ron Hubbard
2005-08-04 08:51:24 UTC
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Post by James Toupin
Post by solitaire
Post by James Toupin
<Snip> <<Really big Snip"
Post by Ron Hubbard
Very fascinating. Now I won't have to read the Mabinogion or the Ulster Cycle, but
why is this posted to uk.rec.psychic?
Ron
I have to admit that I have no idea why it's posted there. I only posted
to alt.legend.king-arthur... And I'm pretty new at this, so you might
have to let me know how that happened...
Thanks;
James
The complete headers (which I can see) show that I answered _only_ to
alt.legend.king-arthur -- James, you're the one who added the other
newsgroups. Saying you didn't is distinctly disingenuous. IE: you're a
liar.
Thanks for the tip. I looked at the header of the original post and THAT is
where the other news groups are listed. I did not add any news groups to
that list. I deeply resent your calling me a liar and would appreciate a
publicly cross-posted apology. And by the way, in future you may want to
check your facts before you strike out at someone.
That wasn't me who called you a liar; that was somebody else. But you're welcome
for the tip, anyway.

Ron
James Toupin
2005-08-04 12:37:03 UTC
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Quite right Ron. It was "solitaire" that called me a liar and never bothered
to check the fact that I was responding to an original post, with
cross-posting in the header, by ***@sdf.lonestar.org <***@sdf.lonestar.org>

Thanks again though.
James
Post by Ron Hubbard
Post by James Toupin
Post by solitaire
Post by James Toupin
<Snip> <<Really big Snip"
Post by Ron Hubbard
Very fascinating. Now I won't have to read the Mabinogion or the
Ulster
Cycle, but
why is this posted to uk.rec.psychic?
Ron
I have to admit that I have no idea why it's posted there. I only posted
to alt.legend.king-arthur... And I'm pretty new at this, so you might
have to let me know how that happened...
Thanks;
James
The complete headers (which I can see) show that I answered _only_ to
alt.legend.king-arthur -- James, you're the one who added the other
newsgroups. Saying you didn't is distinctly disingenuous. IE: you're a
liar.
Thanks for the tip. I looked at the header of the original post and THAT is
where the other news groups are listed. I did not add any news groups to
that list. I deeply resent your calling me a liar and would appreciate a
publicly cross-posted apology. And by the way, in future you may want to
check your facts before you strike out at someone.
That wasn't me who called you a liar; that was somebody else. But you're welcome
for the tip, anyway.
Ron
John W. Kennedy
2005-07-31 15:03:22 UTC
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Post by Ron Hubbard
Post by solitaire
Post by James Toupin
Post by r***@sdf.lonestar.org
In Clovis time, Crater, the Grail, was rising. Upcoming book.
http://www.lulu.com/zodiac
What everyone appears to forget in regards to the "Grail" is that when it
was first written about, by Chrétien de Troyes, it was not a cup or goblet
or chalice; it was in fact first represented by a large gold platter that
was ever-full of food. Also the word "Grail" itself has no meaning apart
from that given to by de Troyes and subsequent generations. The word was,
most likely, a misspelled version of a Latin original meaning a certain type
of dish used to serve specific courses during a formal meal or simply
invented by de Troyes.
James
In fact, Chretien never states that it was always full of food -- in fact, he
indirectly affirms that it was a fish platter, probably used in a Celtic pagan
ritual involving sacred salmon (by way of "protesting too much", as Shakespeare
would say). The reference to the "wafers" is a later interpolation, probably by
one of the 3 continuators of "Li Conte del Graal".
The theme of "bottomless dish" is based on the Irish cauldrons of the Tuatha de
Danaan, which would only boil the meat of heroes, and would always provide
exactly the piece of meat that the warrior that approached wanted/deserved.
It's amazing how much of Welsh tradition was originally Irish.
Very fascinating. Now I won't have to read the Mabinogion or the Ulster Cycle, but
why is this posted to uk.rec.psychic?
Because the original poster was talking about astrology.
--
John W. Kennedy
"Never try to take over the international economy based on a radical
feminist agenda if you're not sure your leader isn't a transvestite."
-- David Misch: "She-Spies", "While You Were Out"
solitaire
2005-08-01 21:52:20 UTC
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Post by Ron Hubbard
Post by solitaire
Post by James Toupin
Post by r***@sdf.lonestar.org
In Clovis time, Crater, the Grail, was rising. Upcoming book.
http://www.lulu.com/zodiac
What everyone appears to forget in regards to the "Grail" is that when it
was first written about, by Chrétien de Troyes, it was not a cup or goblet
or chalice; it was in fact first represented by a large gold platter that
was ever-full of food. Also the word "Grail" itself has no meaning apart
from that given to by de Troyes and subsequent generations. The word was,
most likely, a misspelled version of a Latin original meaning a certain type
of dish used to serve specific courses during a formal meal or simply
invented by de Troyes.
James
In fact, Chretien never states that it was always full of food -- in fact, he
indirectly affirms that it was a fish platter, probably used in a Celtic pagan
ritual involving sacred salmon (by way of "protesting too much", as Shakespeare
would say). The reference to the "wafers" is a later interpolation, probably by
one of the 3 continuators of "Li Conte del Graal".
The theme of "bottomless dish" is based on the Irish cauldrons of the Tuatha de
Danaan, which would only boil the meat of heroes, and would always provide
exactly the piece of meat that the warrior that approached wanted/deserved.
It's amazing how much of Welsh tradition was originally Irish.
Very fascinating. Now I won't have to read the Mabinogion or the Ulster Cycle, but
why is this posted to uk.rec.psychic?
Ron
Don't ask me, ask the moron who originally crossposted it to irrelevant newsgroups.
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